QUIPS AND QUOTES

On the General Assembly’s Open Meeting Policy

The Open Meeting Policy is “asperational.”
Mark Tammen, Associate Stated Clerk, General Assembly


On G-6.0106b

"One cannot read the arguments of the leaders of the dissents and protests against G-6.0106b without raising the question: 'Is this an effort not to "reform...according to the Word of God," but rather, to reform out from under the authority of Jesus Christ, the Word of God as the Scripture bear witness to him, and out from under the confessional standards?' One might also ask, as to church officers and ministers, '[is it] out from under the solemn vows of ordination and installation?' To the degree that there continues to be a clamor for ordination with regard to fidelity and chastity, dissent becomes disavowal....When matters that lie at the core of the PCUSA are opposed, circumvented, or simply ignored, the issue ceases to be G-6.0106b. The issue becomes the commitment to historic Presbyterianism of persons who are or would become deacons, elders and ministers of the Word and Sacrament of the Presbyterian Church (USA)."

Julius Poppinga, elder, Prosecuting attorney in the first (1992) Jane Spahr case

On the PUP Task Force Report

"It's an experiment."

PUP task force members Mike Loudon, Mark Achtemeier, Barbara Wheeler, commenting on the recommendations of their report at the May 10 interview by members by the Presbyterian Coalition.

 

"Last Saturday (Feb. 11), at the stated meeting of Tropical Florida Presbytery, an overture to GA was approved to strike Recommendation 5 from the PUP report. It was passed overwhelmingly. I am sure that many other presbyteries are going on record prior to GA to make it clear that G-6.0106b is not optional or seen as non-essential to us, so that if GA goes ahead with this the reactions cannot be said to be a surprise."

Rev. W.B. Arnold, Tropical Florida Presbytery

 

"We now see, in several denominations, a new strategy to win the church’s affirmation of homosexual acts. This new strategy is less direct. It is offered as a “compromise,” a “third way.” Yet the effect would be the same…. The essence of the new strategy is this: to leave in church law books the orthodox standards calling Christians to fidelity in marriage and sexual abstinence in singleness, while inventing procedural devices permitting church bodies and officials to disregard the standards at will."

From a statement signed by 26 renewal leaders from eight mainline Protestant denominations in the U.S. and Canada

"Is it legal under our Constitution for a General Assembly to decide via authoritative interpretation alone, without proposing an amendment to the Book of Order which is subsequently enacted by affirmative vote of a majority of the prebyteries, that a provision of the Book of Order which describes itself as a 'requirement' for officers may be declared by a governing body to be a 'non-essential' of polity?"

From a letter to the Advisory Committee on the Constitution, from pastors Winfield R. Jones and M. Douglas Harper, Jr.

 

"A specific standard for officers of the church (deacons, elders, or ministers) that the Form of Government of the Book of Order singles out from amongst other confessional standards, explicitly labels a requirement, or associates with mandatory practice by the use of 'shall' language or its equivalent shall be deemed by ordaining and installing bodies to be an essential of Reformed faith and polity for officers of the church."

From the overture adopted by Pittsburgh Presbytery on Feb. 9 that seeks amendment to G-6.0108b of the Book of Order.

 

"It shall not be deemed reasonable or responsible for an ordaining/installing body to fail to maintain any standard stipulated in the Book of Order."

From the overture adopted by Philadelphia Presbytery on Feb. 9 that seeks to amend the recommendations of the PUP Report.

 

“The Authoritative Interpretation in Recommendation 5 would allow sessions and presbyteries to decide whether mandated sections of the Book of Order (those that include the words 'shall' or 'is to be/are to be') are essential or not. This would produce the absurd result of allowing sessions and presbyteries to decide that there are nonessential requirements in the Book of Order when examining a candidate for office.”

Overture passed by Philadelphia Presbytery, 2/9/06.

"A standard is no standard if it is not standard; optional requirements are nonsense."

Jim Berkley, in "Notes on the Theological Task Force Report"

The church … cannot surrender the distinction between the norm and behavior that departs from that norm.
Here lies the boundary of a Christian church that knows itself to be bound by the authority of Scripture. Those who urge the church to change the norm of its teaching on this matter must know that they are promoting schism. If a church were to let itself be pushed to the point where it ceased to treat homosexual activity as a departure from the biblical norm, and recognized homosexual unions as a personal partnership of love equivalent to marriage, such a church would stand no longer on biblical ground but against the unequivocal witness of Scripture. A church that took this step would cease to be the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church.

From “Revelation and Homosexual Experience,” by Wolfhart Pannenberg, professor of systematic theology, University of Munich, translated by Markus Bockmuehl for the Church Times

"If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at that moment attacking, I am not confessing Christ, however boldly I may be professing Christ. Where the battle rages, there the loyalty of the soldier is proved, and to be steady on all the battlefield besides, is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point."

Martin Luther

Tricia Dykers Koenig, National Organizer for the Covenant Network, the principal advocacy group for removing the “fidelity and chastity” standard for ordination, in a workshop at their fall 2005 conference said that if the PUP report passes, “…it would still be a huge step forward because a lot more ordinations [of Presbyterians in homosexual relationships] would be happening. We would be doing it all over the place.”

Quoted by Leslie Scanlon in The Presbyterian Outlook, Nov. 28, 2005

At the October 16, 2005 meeting of Shenandoah Presbytery, during the public question and answer period, Pastor John Sloop asked task force member Frances Taylor Gench: “Is it your understanding that the Book of Order currently prohibits the ordination of self-affirming, practicing, unrepentant, homosexual persons?” Gench answered, “Yes.”
Sloop then asked, “Am I correct that should the PUP report pass, it will be possible to ordain self-affirming, practicing, unrepentant homosexual persons?” Gench answered, “Yes.”

Reported by Pastor John Sloop

Barbara Wheeler, president of Auburn Theological Seminary, member of the Covenant Network board, and on the PUP task force, thanked the Covenant Network board for encouraging overtures to change the ordination standards, but commented that the small steps of the PUP report “make the PC(USA) safer for gays and lesbians and more open to change. ‘They’re not large leaps,’ but they’re better than the all-or-nothing wars, Wheeler said.
“She cautioned that if the assembly defeats the task force report, the future doesn’t hold quick victory for gays and lesbians, just more fighting.’”

From Leslie Scanlon’s report of the fall 2005 Covenant Network conference, in The Presbyterian Outlook, Nov. 28, 2005

 

On Sex and Evangelism

“Unless you preach chastity, and not the easy chastity of sex governed by commitment and love but the hard chastity taught by St. Paul, you will fail to meet the moral challenge of evangelism in this post-modern age.”

--R.R. Reno, In the Ruins of the Church: Sustaining Faith in an Age of Diminished Christianity (Brazo Press, 2002).

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